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You're looking too far back in History for the origins of the Scottish Rite craft Degrees. Pierre Noel has shown that the Scottish Rite Craft Degrees were developed ~ 1803 and are almost directly lifted from "Three Distinct Knocks" and some French Rite thrown in.AndyF wrote:Everything I've read so far makes a slight reference to its origins before leaping off into explaining the history of high degree freemasonry. Its incredibly frustrating that I haven't been able to find anything on the development of the symbolic degrees.
Is anyone able to help?
russellholland wrote:Hi Andy
It seems interesting to me that the London Masons of 1717 who formed their own grand lodge did not know about the 3rd degree but when it was known about 1727 suddenly understood that it was an ancient landmark. This suggests to me that there was an authority recognised by those London brethren.
I also note that the raising of Noah (about 1700) had no reference to lost secrets. By 1727 we have the death of Hiram and the loss of the secrets. Were the secrets were lost after 1700?
The presence of an external authority is also reflected in the announcement of the higher degrees and their initial structures as grand bodies rather than collections of time immemorial local bodies.
Was there an Invisible College sponsoring Masonry? If so, the development of the ritual may show discontinuities where the sponsor intervened.
Cheers
jshandalla wrote:You're looking too far back in History for the origins of the Scottish Rite craft Degrees. Pierre Noel has shown that the Scottish Rite Craft Degrees were developed ~ 1803 and are almost directly lifted from "Three Distinct Knocks" and some French Rite thrown in.AndyF wrote:Everything I've read so far makes a slight reference to its origins before leaping off into explaining the history of high degree freemasonry. Its incredibly frustrating that I haven't been able to find anything on the development of the symbolic degrees.
Is anyone able to help?
This explains why the SR craft Degrees more faithfully follow the English Hiramic Legend as opposed to the one typically told on the continent.
AndyF wrote:The Graham MS (the one which mentions the raising of Noah) does indeed reference lost secrets,
AndyF wrote:
In "Masonry Dissected" in 1730 it mentions that the secrets were lost and found again.
AndyF wrote:jshandalla wrote:You're looking too far back in History for the origins of the Scottish Rite craft Degrees. Pierre Noel has shown that the Scottish Rite Craft Degrees were developed ~ 1803 and are almost directly lifted from "Three Distinct Knocks" and some French Rite thrown in.AndyF wrote:Everything I've read so far makes a slight reference to its origins before leaping off into explaining the history of high degree freemasonry. Its incredibly frustrating that I haven't been able to find anything on the development of the symbolic degrees.
Is anyone able to help?
This explains why the SR craft Degrees more faithfully follow the English Hiramic Legend as opposed to the one typically told on the continent.
I guess its the development of the French Rite I need to be looking into. Just looking at what the GLNF website has to say about the French Rite, all the practices which I thought were uniquely Scottish Rite, were indeed pinched from the French Rite. Thanks for the tip.
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jshandalla wrote:AndyF wrote:jshandalla wrote:You're looking too far back in History for the origins of the Scottish Rite craft Degrees. Pierre Noel has shown that the Scottish Rite Craft Degrees were developed ~ 1803 and are almost directly lifted from "Three Distinct Knocks" and some French Rite thrown in.
This explains why the SR craft Degrees more faithfully follow the English Hiramic Legend as opposed to the one typically told on the continent.
I guess its the development of the French Rite I need to be looking into. Just looking at what the GLNF website has to say about the French Rite, all the practices which I thought were uniquely Scottish Rite, were indeed pinched from the French Rite. Thanks for the tip.
Actually, look more closely at "Three Distinct Knocks" - that was the primary basis of the SR craft Degrees.
AndyF wrote:It was the introduction of these things which I was refering to in my original post. Thanks to your help, I've since learned that they first turned up in the French Rite - hence why I'll now be researching the development of the French Rite instead. Thats not to say I won't be having another look at Three Distinct Knocks with fresh eyes
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