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Broken collumn

Postby Multisync » Thu Apr 09, 2020 7:57 pm

In the UK it was always "we will collect collect alms"
In my Tenerife we announce "The broken column"

I cannot find any explanation as to why this should be.


What does the team think?
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Re: Broken collumn

Postby Trouillogan » Thu Apr 09, 2020 8:02 pm

Lodge custom, most likely. Probably down to what someone said years ago and it stuck.
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Re: Broken collumn

Postby Multisync » Thu Apr 09, 2020 8:45 pm

What do your lodges say?
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Re: Broken collumn

Postby russellholland » Thu Apr 09, 2020 9:29 pm

The broken column refers to the Widow Isis who found the body of Osiris within a column made from the trunk of the tree in which his body came to rest after a flood.

In some lodges the alms collection is called : the Widow's Trunk

The flooding of the Nile is sometimes called the Tears of Isis - referring to her grief at the loss of Osiris.

The Tears of Isis often appear in 18th century French Masonry on the floor cloth

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In legend Osiris was raised from the dead by his son Horus (Hiram?). Accordingly the raising shown above is the raising of Osiris.

These days we no longer know who is the Widow and consider we are descended from a widow and an unknown father.
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Re: Broken collumn

Postby Lang Spoon » Fri Apr 10, 2020 1:45 pm

Here is a bit of ritual used in the third degree emblems in my Mother lodge:-
The broken column is the symbol which reminds us that life does not always extend to old age but is often cut short in youth or when it has been fondly supposed that there still remained many years of activity and happiness in the future. H.A. affords a glorious example of unshaken fidelity and noble death but it was also one which was thoroughly unexpected at the time. It is therefore our duty and our interest to live that we might be ready to die at any time.
Some days may - some years must
Repose us in the silent dust.
The voice of nature loudly cries
And may a message from the skies
That something in us never dies
That in this frail uncertain state
Heavy matters of eternal weight.
Then gently scan your brother man,
Still gentler sister woman;
Though they may gang a kennin' wrang,
To step aside is human.
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Re: Broken collumn

Postby Peter Taylor » Fri Apr 10, 2020 4:54 pm

From my Mother Lodge:

The Broken Column
The broken column is emblematical of the chief supporter of the craft who was slain before his work was completed. Tradition records that this was the design of the monument erected to the memory of H. A. B. It is symbolical of the frailty of man and all things human. A virgin wept over the broken column with an open book before her, in her right hand there was a sprig of acacia and in her left and urn. Time stood behind her with his hands folded in the ringlets of her hair. The weeping virgin denotes the unfinished state of the temple; the open book indicates that H’s memory is an imperishable record; the urn refers to the fact that his ashes are safely deposited; and time standing with his hands in her hair suggests that time, patience and perseverance will accomplish all things.

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Re: Broken collumn

Postby Multisync » Sat Apr 11, 2020 9:28 am

Thanks for the answers

I'm still none the wiser why some use Broken Column instead of Alms..?
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Re: Broken collumn

Postby Trouillogan » Sat Apr 11, 2020 9:53 am

Multisync wrote:Thanks for the answers

I'm still none the wiser why some use Broken Column instead of Alms..?

See 09 Apr 2020 20:02 above. Not everything has to have a solid reason!
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Re: Broken collumn

Postby Multisync » Sat Apr 11, 2020 2:42 pm

Trouillogan wrote:
Multisync wrote:Thanks for the answers

I'm still none the wiser why some use Broken Column instead of Alms..?

See 09 Apr 2020 20:02 above. Not everything has to have a solid reason!



I'm going to have a hard time convincing our preceptor (an AGM of Spain) that 'because' is the right answer!
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Re: Broken collumn

Postby Trouillogan » Sat Apr 11, 2020 8:15 pm

Multisync wrote:
Trouillogan wrote:
Multisync wrote:Thanks for the answers

I'm still none the wiser why some use Broken Column instead of Alms..?

See 09 Apr 2020 20:02 above. Not everything has to have a solid reason!



I'm going to have a hard time convincing our preceptor (an AGM of Spain) that 'because' is the right answer!

Well, just ask him to explain in words of one or two syllables why what he says is 'correct' - simply for educational purposes of course!
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Re: Broken collumn

Postby Mike Martin » Sun Apr 12, 2020 11:01 am

Multisync wrote:
Trouillogan wrote:
Multisync wrote:Thanks for the answers

I'm still none the wiser why some use Broken Column instead of Alms..?

See 09 Apr 2020 20:02 above. Not everything has to have a solid reason!


I'm going to have a hard time convincing our preceptor (an AGM of Spain) that 'because' is the right answer!

I would expect that a brother who has climbed to such heady heights in Freemasonry would be fully aware of the authority of "custom and practice" within the fraternity.
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Re: Broken collumn

Postby Trouillogan » Sun Apr 12, 2020 7:45 pm

Mike Martin wrote:
Multisync wrote:
Trouillogan wrote:See 09 Apr 2020 20:02 above. Not everything has to have a solid reason!


I'm going to have a hard time convincing our preceptor (an AGM of Spain) that 'because' is the right answer!

I would expect that a brother who has climbed to such heady heights in Freemasonry would be fully aware of the authority of "custom and practice" within the fraternity.

He should also be aware that an 'inalienable and immutable tradition', when examined, is often found to be something that the DC before last said when in his cups! (19)
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Re: Broken collumn

Postby Bookworm » Tue May 12, 2020 2:02 am

Isn't the answer to the original question the fact that the collection box in many lodges is in the shape of a broken column? Bernard E. Jones, in his "Freemasons' Guide and Companion" writes: "The design of the box - the 'broken column' - is symbolic of death, but has no particular masonic significance, having been copied from memorial monuments of a design common to the period of its adoption, the early 1800's." Frederick Smyth, in his "Reference Book for Freemasons" calls this "a conceit for which masonic furnishers may perhaps be thanked" and refers to various symbolical explanations having been subsequently devised. He also mentions other old funeral monument designs with weeping virgins, open books, urns etc, which may well have been the inspiration for the passage Peter quotes.
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Re: Broken collumn

Postby russellholland » Tue May 12, 2020 5:58 am

From where do we get the weeping virgin? I do not recall that in Masonic legend.

The nearest may be Ezekiel 8:14 "Then He brought me to the door of the gate of the LORD’S house which was toward the north; and, behold, there sat the women weeping for Tammuz. "

Tammuz is the god to which the "threshing floor" had been dedicated before being used as a temple for Jehovah.

Still, I like the Egyptian tradition that Isis's tears on the death of Osiris were so great as to cause the flooding of the Nile.

I think virgin is something to do with the overt morality of the 18th century.
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Re: Broken collumn

Postby Peter Moir » Tue May 12, 2020 5:57 pm

Anyone know the name of the Virgin?....Peter Taylor do not answer!
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Re: Broken collumn

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Re: Broken collumn

Postby russellholland » Wed May 13, 2020 7:29 am

"The Osirian Myth greatly reveals this secret as Acacia trees grew and flourished around the grave of Osiris. Thus the Spirit of Osiris being absorbed by the roots of the Acacia tree. The ancient Egyptians extracted the “Blood of Osiris” from certain species of this tree. Later in the Christian era the Elixir was also called “The Blood of Christ”. The Masonic Order further reveals the Acacia as the sacred bush marking the grave of the Master Builder Hiram Abif. This bush is known as the bush symbolising our immortality. Moses saw it aglow on mount Sinai which spoke to him as God. The ancient mystery schools of antiquity gave it to their initiates. Not so far as Cagliostro’s time, he introduced this “Blood of Osiris” into his Masonic Rite of Initiation. "

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