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Re: Intention to form EMEA Shrine Temple

PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2012 10:19 am
by gord_vokes
Carl wrote:From what I know Shriners is banned in Serious Masonry here in Europe. In the By-laws we have in my Lodge, Shirines are not to be admitted in to the Lodge, and a Brother joining them is to be Expulsed. So this I can't understand.



That's curious. What jurisdiction do you belong to?

Re: Intention to form EMEA Shrine Temple

PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2012 7:22 pm
by middlepillar
Carl wrote:From what I know Shriners is banned in Serious Masonry here in Europe. In the By-laws we have in my Lodge, Shirines are not to be admitted in to the Lodge, and a Brother joining them is to be Expulsed. So this I can't understand.


Carl
A piece of advice, please dont make statements without understanding you are a member of only 1 Grand Lodge and this Forum caters for many. What your Grand Lodge deems regualar does not mean all other GL's do. The Shriners has not been banned in UGLE, UGLE members are allowed to join them and no Shriner has been excluded from a UGLE Lodge because he is a Shriner! As this Board is made up of a sunstantial amount of members of UGLE in answer to your question, yes we are sure!

Re: Intention to form EMEA Shrine Temple

PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2012 10:47 pm
by Seeking-Light
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shriners_H ... r_Children

In Scotland we have two smaller orders which wholly donate to childrens charity but these donations are dwarfed into insignificance by the shriners,Remember that in North America they dont have an NHS system as we do ,these American shrine freemason s have helped generations of kids that otherwise would have grown up with disabilities .They are world renowned for training doctors in these specialised fields.Children from the Uk & Europe have benefitted by having treatment from doctors trained in the Usa and even been flown to the usa for treatment at no cost to there families.

Now please explain to me why this charitable act is incompatable with a true freemasons heart .

Any GL forbidding charity at threat of expulsion should have a rethink of its principals.

I wish all concerned in establishing the shrine in the uk the best of luck

seeking light

fife

Re: Intention to form EMEA Shrine Temple

PostPosted: Sun May 20, 2012 3:02 am
by Lloyd Wiebe
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Remember that in North America they dont have an NHS system as we do
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Seeking Light,
Keep in mind that North america consists of more than just the USA. Canada indeed does have a universal health system.

Re: Intention to form EMEA Shrine Temple

PostPosted: Sun May 20, 2012 8:38 am
by Seeking-Light
Bro wiebe

My Bad (41)
I was in fact aware that Canada has a "Nhs" for her Citizens :)

I have even been to Cambridge Ontario a few times (27)

I have a relation who stayed there before moving to along the road to another nice town Guelph .

really must get back over sometime

seeking light
fife

Re: Intention to form EMEA Shrine Temple

PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2012 5:07 pm
by Lloyd Wiebe
Feel free to return to Cambridge at any time. Give me a heads up if and when you are coming.

Re: Intention to form EMEA Shrine Temple

PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2012 9:54 pm
by Seeking-Light
Thank you kindly bro wiebe

I may very well accept that very kind offer one of these days .

I do love the area and the people are so laid back and easy going

The canadian sweet corn fresh on the cob is sensational and some of the sights are well wonders of the world .such as niagara falls only a short drive away .ice wine .The menonite market is something else as well.

i have managed to get to a couple of craft meetings but would love to see the scottish rite worked or the knight templar grades and maybe even see the shrine guys in action .

I am told that some of the brethern are expert at the clown acts have some excellent outfits and even wee cars etc .

must get over in the next year or two :)

seeking light
fife

Re: Intention to form EMEA Shrine Temple

PostPosted: Thu Apr 25, 2013 12:22 am
by GMGLU
There are three Shrine Clubs in the UK and all of their members are members of UGLE or other Regular and Recognised Lodges.

Any further news on the EMEA Temple or the UK Hospital Project, haven't heard from Pat McCann for some time.

Re: Intention to form EMEA Shrine Temple

PostPosted: Sun Sep 22, 2013 8:09 pm
by Marioch
Hello, I'm interested in possibly becoming a Shriner and found the facebook page for the Dartford Shrine club, but it appears to have not been updated since 2011, can someone tell me whether the club is still active and if so how I would go about contacting them.

Re: Intention to form EMEA Shrine Temple

PostPosted: Sun Sep 22, 2013 10:39 pm
by GMGLU
Please contact Mick Gosling, mickbrendada2@yahoo.co.uk re Dartford Shrine Club

Re: Intention to form EMEA Shrine Temple

PostPosted: Thu Jul 23, 2015 7:48 pm
by Lloyd Wiebe
The Shriners are now in South America with a Temple added in Brazil.

Re: Intention to form EMEA Shrine Temple

PostPosted: Sun Feb 12, 2017 8:12 pm
by Caelum
Brethren,

Is this still in the works? Who may join? To my understanding my Grand Lodge does not prevent it although I would of course make sure before petitioning but I believe in what the Shriners do so would love to be able to be part of it. After all; how can anything good done for children be wrong???

S&F,

C

Re: Intention to form EMEA Shrine Temple

PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2017 2:13 pm
by GrandMasterGLU
Dear Brother,

As far as I know this project is not proceeding, however as you are part of a recognised Grand Lodge you would be able to join us in the UK, if you are able to travel.

Please let me know if you are interested.

s&f

Steve

Re: Intention to form EMEA Shrine Temple

PostPosted: Tue Feb 14, 2017 1:08 pm
by MrBenn
UGLE doesn't "recognise" anything outside of the three craft degree's and the RA

All other orders in England and Wales are separate and not part of UGLE

Re: Intention to form EMEA Shrine Temple

PostPosted: Tue Feb 14, 2017 7:18 pm
by eric384
Whilst UGLE doesn't recognise the likes of the various Orders headquartered at MMH, they do not proscribe them (which they do with Order of the Eastern Star, Order of the White Shrine of Jerusalem and the Order of the Amaranth). I don't know which camp they have put the Shriners in (though I am aware that a Provincial Grand Master is a Shriner).

Re: Intention to form EMEA Shrine Temple

PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2017 6:21 pm
by Lazza21
Has anyone asked the Grand Secretary of UGLE. (40) Is membership of the Shriners any different to joining a Cork Lodge ?
I thought that both limited membership to Master Masons not recognised but not proscribed by UGLE.

Re: Intention to form EMEA Shrine Temple

PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2017 6:26 pm
by MrBenn
nymaso3 wrote:
eric384 wrote:Whilst UGLE doesn't recognise the likes of the various Orders headquartered at MMH, they do not proscribe them (which they do with Order of the Eastern Star, Order of the White Shrine of Jerusalem and the Order of the Amaranth). I don't know which camp they have put the Shriners in (though I am aware that a Provincial Grand Master is a Shriner).


It would be very interesting to know UGLE opinions about Shriners in the UK. I've just read on the "information for the guidance of members of the craft" that UGLE regard as irregular the York Rite when worked in UK. So that's why I thought the same was about the Shriners and the US Scottish Rite worked in UK


Fundamental difference between the way US masonry is ordered and the way masonry in England & Wales is ordered

The 'York Rite' is a way of ordering some of the degrees which are worked under their own GL's here in England & Wales, in that respect its an artificial construct
The same degrees exist here, but aren't grouped as a 'rite'

The Scottish Rite likewise exists in the UK, here it is AASR

If you are used to the US system it can be quite a headache to understand the organisational and structural differences

Re: Intention to form EMEA Shrine Temple

PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2017 6:26 pm
by MrBenn
Lazza21 wrote:Has anyone asked the Grand Secretary of UGLE. (40) Is membership of the Shriners any different to joining a Cork Lodge ?
I thought that both limited membership to Master Masons not recognised but not proscribed by UGLE.


Why would they ask G Sec?

Re: Intention to form EMEA Shrine Temple

PostPosted: Sun Feb 19, 2017 6:22 pm
by middlepillar
MrBenn wrote:
The Scottish Rite likewise exists in the UK, here it is AASR



A small correction in Scotland it is known as The AASR in England as The AAR (Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite against Ancient and Accepted Rite)

Re: Intention to form EMEA Shrine Temple

PostPosted: Sat Aug 25, 2018 10:33 am
by JohnXRV
MrBenn wrote:
Fundamental difference between the way US masonry is ordered and the way masonry in England & Wales is ordered

The 'York Rite' is a way of ordering some of the degrees which are worked under their own GL's here in England & Wales, in that respect its an artificial construct
The same degrees exist here, but aren't grouped as a 'rite'

The Scottish Rite likewise exists in the UK, here it is AASR

If you are used to the US system it can be quite a headache to understand the organisational and structural differences


Thank you so much for this Mr Benn

At last I've finally found what the bloody York and Scottish Rites are!!

I'll class this as today's daily advancement (36)

John