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Re: Intention to form EMEA Shrine Temple

Postby gord_vokes » Wed May 09, 2012 10:19 am

Carl wrote:From what I know Shriners is banned in Serious Masonry here in Europe. In the By-laws we have in my Lodge, Shirines are not to be admitted in to the Lodge, and a Brother joining them is to be Expulsed. So this I can't understand.



That's curious. What jurisdiction do you belong to?
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Re: Intention to form EMEA Shrine Temple

Postby middlepillar » Wed May 16, 2012 7:22 pm

Carl wrote:From what I know Shriners is banned in Serious Masonry here in Europe. In the By-laws we have in my Lodge, Shirines are not to be admitted in to the Lodge, and a Brother joining them is to be Expulsed. So this I can't understand.


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A piece of advice, please dont make statements without understanding you are a member of only 1 Grand Lodge and this Forum caters for many. What your Grand Lodge deems regualar does not mean all other GL's do. The Shriners has not been banned in UGLE, UGLE members are allowed to join them and no Shriner has been excluded from a UGLE Lodge because he is a Shriner! As this Board is made up of a sunstantial amount of members of UGLE in answer to your question, yes we are sure!
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Re: Intention to form EMEA Shrine Temple

Postby Seeking-Light » Wed May 16, 2012 10:47 pm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shriners_H ... r_Children

In Scotland we have two smaller orders which wholly donate to childrens charity but these donations are dwarfed into insignificance by the shriners,Remember that in North America they dont have an NHS system as we do ,these American shrine freemason s have helped generations of kids that otherwise would have grown up with disabilities .They are world renowned for training doctors in these specialised fields.Children from the Uk & Europe have benefitted by having treatment from doctors trained in the Usa and even been flown to the usa for treatment at no cost to there families.

Now please explain to me why this charitable act is incompatable with a true freemasons heart .

Any GL forbidding charity at threat of expulsion should have a rethink of its principals.

I wish all concerned in establishing the shrine in the uk the best of luck

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Re: Intention to form EMEA Shrine Temple

Postby Lloyd Wiebe » Sun May 20, 2012 3:02 am

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Remember that in North America they dont have an NHS system as we do
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Keep in mind that North america consists of more than just the USA. Canada indeed does have a universal health system.
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Re: Intention to form EMEA Shrine Temple

Postby Seeking-Light » Sun May 20, 2012 8:38 am

Bro wiebe

My Bad (41)
I was in fact aware that Canada has a "Nhs" for her Citizens :)

I have even been to Cambridge Ontario a few times (27)

I have a relation who stayed there before moving to along the road to another nice town Guelph .

really must get back over sometime

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Re: Intention to form EMEA Shrine Temple

Postby Lloyd Wiebe » Wed May 23, 2012 5:07 pm

Feel free to return to Cambridge at any time. Give me a heads up if and when you are coming.
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Re: Intention to form EMEA Shrine Temple

Postby Seeking-Light » Wed May 23, 2012 9:54 pm

Thank you kindly bro wiebe

I may very well accept that very kind offer one of these days .

I do love the area and the people are so laid back and easy going

The canadian sweet corn fresh on the cob is sensational and some of the sights are well wonders of the world .such as niagara falls only a short drive away .ice wine .The menonite market is something else as well.

i have managed to get to a couple of craft meetings but would love to see the scottish rite worked or the knight templar grades and maybe even see the shrine guys in action .

I am told that some of the brethern are expert at the clown acts have some excellent outfits and even wee cars etc .

must get over in the next year or two :)

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Re: Intention to form EMEA Shrine Temple

Postby GMGLU » Thu Apr 25, 2013 12:22 am

There are three Shrine Clubs in the UK and all of their members are members of UGLE or other Regular and Recognised Lodges.

Any further news on the EMEA Temple or the UK Hospital Project, haven't heard from Pat McCann for some time.
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Re: Intention to form EMEA Shrine Temple

Postby Marioch » Sun Sep 22, 2013 8:09 pm

Hello, I'm interested in possibly becoming a Shriner and found the facebook page for the Dartford Shrine club, but it appears to have not been updated since 2011, can someone tell me whether the club is still active and if so how I would go about contacting them.
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Re: Intention to form EMEA Shrine Temple

Postby GMGLU » Sun Sep 22, 2013 10:39 pm

Please contact Mick Gosling, mickbrendada2@yahoo.co.uk re Dartford Shrine Club
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Re: Intention to form EMEA Shrine Temple

Postby Lloyd Wiebe » Thu Jul 23, 2015 7:48 pm

The Shriners are now in South America with a Temple added in Brazil.
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Re: Intention to form EMEA Shrine Temple

Postby Caelum » Sun Feb 12, 2017 8:12 pm

Brethren,

Is this still in the works? Who may join? To my understanding my Grand Lodge does not prevent it although I would of course make sure before petitioning but I believe in what the Shriners do so would love to be able to be part of it. After all; how can anything good done for children be wrong???

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Re: Intention to form EMEA Shrine Temple

Postby GrandMasterGLU » Mon Feb 13, 2017 2:13 pm

Dear Brother,

As far as I know this project is not proceeding, however as you are part of a recognised Grand Lodge you would be able to join us in the UK, if you are able to travel.

Please let me know if you are interested.

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Re: Intention to form EMEA Shrine Temple

Postby nymaso3 » Tue Feb 14, 2017 6:58 am

Lloyd Wiebe wrote:Gord,

All Temples report to Tampa. UGLE, or any other Grand Lodge have no say in the Shrine, but the Shrine always tries to have a good working relationship with the various Grand Lodges.
It should be noted that as of the revised protocol (Nov. 2010) the term "Temple" is once again permitted.


For these very reasons I believe it will be very hard for the Shriners to set up a temple in the UK. UGLE most likely will not recognize them. Although this is just my opinion.
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Re: Intention to form EMEA Shrine Temple

Postby MrBenn » Tue Feb 14, 2017 1:08 pm

UGLE doesn't "recognise" anything outside of the three craft degree's and the RA

All other orders in England and Wales are separate and not part of UGLE
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Re: Intention to form EMEA Shrine Temple

Postby nymaso3 » Tue Feb 14, 2017 3:32 pm

MrBenn wrote:UGLE doesn't "recognise" anything outside of the three craft degree's and the RA

All other orders in England and Wales are separate and not part of UGLE


Indeed. Sorry for the confusion, I meant that it will not possible to join them for UGLE members in the UK, although I've just seen a post stating the opposite above so I was clearly wrong (44)
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Re: Intention to form EMEA Shrine Temple

Postby eric384 » Tue Feb 14, 2017 7:18 pm

Whilst UGLE doesn't recognise the likes of the various Orders headquartered at MMH, they do not proscribe them (which they do with Order of the Eastern Star, Order of the White Shrine of Jerusalem and the Order of the Amaranth). I don't know which camp they have put the Shriners in (though I am aware that a Provincial Grand Master is a Shriner).
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Re: Intention to form EMEA Shrine Temple

Postby nymaso3 » Thu Feb 16, 2017 3:46 pm

eric384 wrote:Whilst UGLE doesn't recognise the likes of the various Orders headquartered at MMH, they do not proscribe them (which they do with Order of the Eastern Star, Order of the White Shrine of Jerusalem and the Order of the Amaranth). I don't know which camp they have put the Shriners in (though I am aware that a Provincial Grand Master is a Shriner).


It would be very interesting to know UGLE opinions about Shriners in the UK. I've just read on the "information for the guidance of members of the craft" that UGLE regard as irregular the York Rite when worked in UK. So that's why I thought the same was about the Shriners and the US Scottish Rite worked in UK
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Re: Intention to form EMEA Shrine Temple

Postby Lazza21 » Thu Feb 16, 2017 6:21 pm

Has anyone asked the Grand Secretary of UGLE. (40) Is membership of the Shriners any different to joining a Cork Lodge ?
I thought that both limited membership to Master Masons not recognised but not proscribed by UGLE.
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Re: Intention to form EMEA Shrine Temple

Postby MrBenn » Thu Feb 16, 2017 6:26 pm

nymaso3 wrote:
eric384 wrote:Whilst UGLE doesn't recognise the likes of the various Orders headquartered at MMH, they do not proscribe them (which they do with Order of the Eastern Star, Order of the White Shrine of Jerusalem and the Order of the Amaranth). I don't know which camp they have put the Shriners in (though I am aware that a Provincial Grand Master is a Shriner).


It would be very interesting to know UGLE opinions about Shriners in the UK. I've just read on the "information for the guidance of members of the craft" that UGLE regard as irregular the York Rite when worked in UK. So that's why I thought the same was about the Shriners and the US Scottish Rite worked in UK


Fundamental difference between the way US masonry is ordered and the way masonry in England & Wales is ordered

The 'York Rite' is a way of ordering some of the degrees which are worked under their own GL's here in England & Wales, in that respect its an artificial construct
The same degrees exist here, but aren't grouped as a 'rite'

The Scottish Rite likewise exists in the UK, here it is AASR

If you are used to the US system it can be quite a headache to understand the organisational and structural differences
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