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When did we start to use regalia?

Postby JohnXRV » Wed Aug 15, 2018 9:45 am

Having been raised in June I am starting to broaden my knowledge and understanding of freemasonry. I have a general grasp of the first Grand Lodge then the schism until the unification in 1813 and the independence of Scotland and Ireland 's Grand Lodges and that there are different rites (Scottish, York) but so far have not come across anything explaining where all the regalia comes from.

I can't imagine lodges meeting in taverns before 1717 carrying in trunk loads of stuff to back rooms or maybe they did or maybe they all carried it in individually? Did it all start when we moved out of taverns into purpose built masonic halls whenever that was?

Any pointers to get me started will be greatly appreciated

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Re: When did we start to use regalia?

Postby Stevecoath » Wed Aug 15, 2018 10:10 am

Good morning John
Are you talking about aprons here? as the famous print shows an inebriated Mason being helped home by the Tyler, wearing his apron.
Or when you refer to trunk loads do you actually mean the furniture?
Ashlars, chequered pavements, tracing boards and such.
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Re: When did we start to use regalia?

Postby Mike Martin » Wed Aug 15, 2018 10:15 am

JohnXRV wrote:Having been raised in June I am starting to broaden my knowledge and understanding of freemasonry. I have a general grasp of the first Grand Lodge then the schism until the unification in 1813 and the independence of Scotland and Ireland 's Grand Lodges and that there are different rites (Scottish, York) but so far have not come across anything explaining where all the regalia comes from.

One small pointer for you, the "Antients" Grand Lodge of 1756 was not a "schism" it was set up by itinerant Irish Masons based in London who found themselves unable to enter English Lodges. They weren't able to because the English swapped some bits and bobs around in order to prevent bogus Masons entering their Lodges due to people selling Masonic secrets at that time due to several exposes. A good book to read would be Masonic Facts and Fictions published in 1887 by Henry Sadler.
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Re: When did we start to use regalia?

Postby JohnXRV » Wed Aug 15, 2018 10:18 am

Mike Martin wrote:One small pointer for you, the "Antients" Grand Lodge of 1756 was not a "schism" it was set up by itinerant Irish Masons based in London who found themselves unable to enter English Lodges.


Thanks for the correction Mike

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Re: When did we start to use regalia?

Postby Trouillogan » Wed Aug 15, 2018 3:50 pm

Further, 'Scottish Rite' and 'York Rite' are terms not generally understood in in the three home jurisdictions of UGLE, GL of Scotland and GL of Ireland. They are terms used in the American systems and elsewhere.

As to your original question about the origins of our regalia, I can only help with English origins although other jurisdictions tended to follow. As speculative masons, our aprons can be regarded as a symbolic link with the operative stone masons. Several of the different trades had their own styles of apron and today we still have butchers wearing striped aprons with often a straw hat. The earliest forms of masonic apron (pendant jewels and collars of rank appeared later) in the early eighteenth and possibly late seventeenth centuries were quite large in size, emblematic of the protection worn by stone masons. You will find an extraordinary amount of well researched information on this subject in Bernard Jones' Freemasons' Guide and Compendium available second-hand from most specialist masonic book sources including Abe Books but try the Book Store on this forum first.
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Re: When did we start to use regalia?

Postby JohnXRV » Wed Aug 15, 2018 4:18 pm

Stevecoath wrote:Good morning John
Are you talking about aprons here? as the famous print shows an inebriated Mason being helped home by the Tyler, wearing his apron.


Hi Steve

I meant sashes, collars, jewels, gauntlets. I'm interested to find out if there was an "arms race" in ostentatious display between masonry and other similar orders e.g. RAOB as it seems a bit of a leap from what we look like now to those humbler beginnings in taverns and hostelries.

Anyway the facts and fictions book has been found and bought and now Trouillogan has given me another to find


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Re: When did we start to use regalia?

Postby JohnXRV » Wed Aug 15, 2018 4:20 pm

Trouillogan wrote:Further, 'Scottish Rite' and 'York Rite' are terms not generally understood in in the three home jurisdictions of UGLE, GL of Scotland and GL of Ireland. They are terms used in the American systems and elsewhere.


Another confusion for the inquisitive mason Trouillogan


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Re: When did we start to use regalia?

Postby JohnXRV » Wed Aug 22, 2018 8:05 pm

Trouillogan wrote:Further, 'Scottish Rite' and 'York Rite' are terms not generally understood in in the three home jurisdictions of UGLE, GL of Scotland and GL of Ireland. They are terms used in the American systems and elsewhere.


Thanks for clearing that up

You will find an extraordinary amount of well researched information on this subject in Bernard Jones' Freemasons' Guide and Compendium available second-hand from most specialist masonic book sources including Abe Books but try the Book Store on this forum first.


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Re: When did we start to use regalia?

Postby JohnXRV » Wed Aug 22, 2018 8:06 pm

Mike Martin wrote:A good book to read would be Masonic Facts and Fictions published in 1887 by Henry Sadler.


Thanks for the recommendation Mike I'm really enjoying this book
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Re: When did we start to use regalia?

Postby Trouillogan » Wed Aug 22, 2018 10:27 pm

JohnXRV wrote:
Mike Martin wrote:A good book to read would be Masonic Facts and Fictions published in 1887 by Henry Sadler.


Thanks for the recommendation Mike I'm really enjoying this book

Ah, but Sadler begins his Preface with the words: 'Masons don't read!' (14)
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Re: When did we start to use regalia?

Postby eckywan2 » Thu Aug 23, 2018 11:23 am

Come up to Kilwinning MK0 where they still dont have ANY ritual books ( 2nd and 4th Tuesday all year round)
mind you its a lot older there being founded well before 1598
and even have connection with York which was the basis of The York Rite which was around 960 AD
Bro Robert Burns joined Tarbolton in 1781 and there has been a lot of talk regarding the apron he wore as depicted in famous picture of his supposed inauguration as Poet Laureate of L Canongate Kilwinning no 2 while others wore quite basic aprons. The premises there are still the same as they were 220 years ago.
( PS I dont like repeating myself but others do please remember 1717 was only a pub lunch UGLE was founded in 1813 )
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Re: When did we start to use regalia?

Postby Trouillogan » Thu Aug 23, 2018 1:16 pm

eckywan2 wrote:Come up to Kilwinning MK0 where they still dont have ANY ritual books ( 2nd and 4th Tuesday all year round)
mind you its a lot older there being founded well before 1598
and even have connection with York which was the basis of The York Rite which was around 960 AD
Bro Robert Burns joined Tarbolton in 1781 and there has been a lot of talk regarding the apron he wore as depicted in famous picture of his supposed inauguration as Poet Laureate of L Canongate Kilwinning no 2 while others wore quite basic aprons. The premises there are still the same as they were 220 years ago.
( PS I dont like repeating myself but others do please remember 1717 was only a pub lunch UGLE was founded in 1813 )

If you come down here, there are many instances where you'd think we don't have ritual books either - and that's on a good night!
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Re: When did we start to use regalia?

Postby eckywan2 » Fri Aug 24, 2018 7:55 am

Aye truly ! trouillogan been there done that too
We have well respected bro here who has ben in the chair for 6 years
and never the same ritual every meting
but loved by all !
I dont mean to ID him but they also have an old bit of "uniform" thatgoes back to the origings / name of the lodge
still worn , sometimes , mainly for interested visitors

On the other hand Kilwinning is famously word perfect, and at right speed so candidates can take ( some of) it in )
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Re: When did we start to use regalia?

Postby Trouillogan » Fri Aug 24, 2018 6:27 pm

Well, we are word perfect too - they are just the perfect words for that evening! (2)
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