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Re: Nothing personal

Postby Lang Spoon » Mon Feb 12, 2018 10:29 pm

My pet hate (Or, at least, ONE of them) is when the line that should be delivered as

Just, Perfect and Regular

Is given as
Just perfect, and regular (1) (13)
Then gently scan your brother man,
Still gentler sister woman;
Though they may gang a kennin' wrang,
To step aside is human.
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Re: Nothing personal

Postby Peter Taylor » Tue Feb 13, 2018 2:44 pm

Lang Spoon wrote:My pet hate (Or, at least, ONE of them) is when the line that should be delivered as

Just, Perfect and Regular

Is given as
Just perfect, and regular (1) (13)
And the 24 inch gauge;
Prayer, Labour, Refreshment, and Sleep.. 4 parts
When it is Prayer, Labour, Refreshment and Sleep, 3 parts
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Re: Nothing personal

Postby Lazza21 » Tue Feb 13, 2018 3:01 pm

Thats quite different to Emulation and Taylors workings where there is no mention of sleep.
Prayer, labour and refreshment, serving a friend or brother in time of need without detriment to ourselves or connections.
Slight difference in wording between these two English workings.
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Re: Nothing personal

Postby Peter Moir » Wed Feb 14, 2018 10:11 am

And my pet hate is " the high and sublime degree of a Master Mason "...get a grip!!!!!( no pun intended) it's " the high and sublime degree of Master Mason ". It's the degree that is high and sublime not the Master Mason....rant over.
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Re: Nothing personal

Postby Peter Taylor » Wed Feb 14, 2018 10:19 am

Peter Moir wrote:And my pet hate is " the high and sublime degree of a Master Mason "...get a grip!!!!!( no pun intended) it's " the high and sublime degree of Master Mason ". It's the degree that is high and sublime not the Master Mason....rant over.


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Re: Nothing personal

Postby Stevecoath » Wed Feb 14, 2018 10:22 am

In my Lodge there is a Brother who warns us every festive board that the words of Grace are "to thee alone be honour....Glory, now and henceforth etc"
and has not yet realized that most of the brethren add "and" between Honour...Glory" just because he throws a fit every time.
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Re: Nothing personal

Postby Peter Taylor » Wed Feb 14, 2018 11:23 am

Stevecoath wrote:In my Lodge there is a Brother who warns us every festive board that the words of Grace are "to thee alone be honour....Glory, now and henceforth etc"
and has not yet realized that most of the brethren add "and" between Honour...Glory" just because he throws a fit every time.


One of the best Graces I ever heard was, "For what we are about to receive may the Lord be truly thankful!"
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Re: Nothing personal

Postby Stevecoath » Wed Feb 14, 2018 11:29 am

Or of course that old Royal Navy favorite "Has anyone seen the Padre? Thank God"
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Re: Nothing personal

Postby gord_vokes » Mon Apr 09, 2018 12:41 am

admin wrote:It is usually nerves that makes people speak quickly. That eases off after time with most people.

I remember when I first joined all the members followed a similar patern set by the preceptor. They used a timing mechanism , it s bit like you can probably remember words to a song that you could not just say those words from memory you would have to sing them.

I started to nag about the speed and the motions or noises they used. One guy used to tut after each line. Another swished his foot to create a rythm. It took a while and I think I influenced proceedings when I got into some of the officer positions, having done some theatrical work I used that to make the story line a bit more interesting.

But in the end you can only control yourself not others.

As for the 18th century words, I like them, it makes us different from everyday language.


I too have no acting ability and worry that I'll make a poor job of ritual. I learned right at the start to concentrate on small parts. The WTs are a good place to begin and for memorizing I used the rote method. Start with a phrase, then a sentence, up to a paragraph. Then do over and over for that study period. One really needs to completely memorize the complete passage word perfect. Going by the written breaks: phrases, sentences and paragraphs subconsciously teaches you how to act out the message(s) of the part during the rote stage.

The second stage is to become interested in the language or word choice of the ritual author. You MUST understand each word and how they relate. Long sentences actually make it simplar to understand when given at the proper rate, rhythm and emphasis.

When your memory of the wording is perfect and you understand what the author means, then and only then can it be communicated.

You know when you have done good ritual, it's just communicating. A rendition of the WTs I did was copied throughout my District for a couple of years. Not bad for a guy who had stage fright so bad the first time up, I couldn't breath.

The first time preparing for a part takes me a long time. If I've done it before, it still takes a while. So word to the wise-start early. I know a guy that is constantly practicing. But he's in a lot of Orders and does the heavy parts.

Make sure all Officers and Brn know long beforehand what they will be asked to do or if they are anything like me there will prompting required.

The thing I like the best is that if I've done my work properly then I find I've learned something that I didn't know.
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