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Meeting blaggers/ Cowans

Postby kimosabe » Tue Sep 05, 2017 10:46 am

Ever met anyone who wanted to or who tried to blag their way into a lodge meeting who wasn't a Freemason?
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Re: Meeting blaggers/ Cowans

Postby Mike Martin » Tue Sep 05, 2017 12:08 pm

Not into a meeting no but I have come across many both on the Net and in person who pretended to be Freemasons.
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Re: Meeting blaggers/ Cowans

Postby JulesTheBit » Tue Sep 05, 2017 3:00 pm

kimosabe wrote:Ever met anyone who wanted to or who tried to blag their way into a lodge meeting who wasn't a Freemason?

Yes, I know a situation where this was attempted using a relative's regalia and GL certificate. Did not succeed, but came very close.

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Re: Meeting blaggers/ Cowans

Postby Peter Dowling » Tue Sep 05, 2017 4:31 pm

Not a meeting but a few who have claimed to be on the SQ but were not. Obvious when talk to them though.
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Re: Meeting blaggers/ Cowans

Postby Peter Taylor » Tue Sep 05, 2017 5:02 pm

I know of someone who purported to be a Mason for personal gain; but he never attempted to gain entrance into a Lodge.
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Re: Meeting blaggers/ Cowans

Postby Stevecoath » Wed Sep 06, 2017 9:35 am

A guy who I once worked who kept mentioning he was a high level Freemason but of course could never tell anyone about all the secrets he knew. Every day he wore a square and compass ring as well.
One day he was asked if he was in the same Lodge as myself (he didn't know I was on the square)
The next day and every day after he never wore that ring to work and tried to claim he had never admitted being a freemason.
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Re: Meeting blaggers/ Cowans

Postby Richard George » Thu Sep 07, 2017 9:25 pm

I know of someone who did gain admission as a guest of a member of the lodge. He attended a number of times I understand. His host then died just before he was to propose the guy for joining membership, so someone else did on the say-so of the now-deceased brother (who had been one of the lodge 'seniors'). Unfortunately, the secretary omitted to check the certificate(!) or gain clearance and it wasn't until the guy was being pre-registered that it was found that there was no record of him in Adelphi and that the quoted lodge name and number of his mother lodge didn't match - they were opposite ends of the country. The secretary was wrist-slapped big-time(!) and was made to chase the guy concerned. When eventually cornered - it took the secretary several attempts, he confirmed that he wasn't a mason at all.
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Re: Meeting blaggers/ Cowans

Postby kimosabe » Sun Sep 10, 2017 12:14 pm

I wonder why they wouldn't simply apply to join like everybody else and if found to not be insane, permitted to join and find out for themselves. I don't think they'd be around much after their first, if it wasn't for them.

I suppose the long-standing secrecy surrounding Freemasonry has much to do with people either pretending to be a Mason to abuse the position, or not realising how easy it is to join. It's not as if Grand Lodge can do background checks on anybody and even the periodic declaration of criminality or whatever it's called, is a waste of time.

Just wondered, as apart from the usual online loons, i've never personally come across it.
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Re: Meeting blaggers/ Cowans

Postby Peter Taylor » Sun Sep 10, 2017 2:06 pm

kimosabe wrote:I wonder why they wouldn't simply apply to join like everybody else and if found to not be insane, permitted to join and find out for themselves. I don't think they'd be around much after their first, if it wasn't for them.

I suppose the long-standing secrecy surrounding Freemasonry has much to do with people either pretending to be a Mason to abuse the position, or not realising how easy it is to join. It's not as if Grand Lodge can do background checks on anybody and even the periodic declaration of criminality or whatever it's called, is a waste of time.

Just wondered, as apart from the usual online loons, i've never personally come across it.

Like a lot of folk I suppose? Wanting something for nothing? Attention seekers? Trouble maker? Trollers? And more!
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Re: Meeting blaggers/ Cowans

Postby Richard George » Mon Sep 11, 2017 6:53 am

Or just didn't want to pay the 50 odd quid registration fee. He obviously enjoyed it enough to want to be a joining member. Probably didn't realise that details would be checked during the process and was too far in to go back and admit what he'd done knowing he'd then never get the chance to do it properly.

And in case you're wondering how I know all this, I was the Assistant Provincial Secretary doing the preregistration.
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Re: Meeting blaggers/ Cowans

Postby kimosabe » Tue Sep 12, 2017 1:45 pm

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kimosabe wrote:I wonder why they wouldn't simply apply to join like everybody else and if found to not be insane, permitted to join and find out for themselves. I don't think they'd be around much after their first, if it wasn't for them.

I suppose the long-standing secrecy surrounding Freemasonry has much to do with people either pretending to be a Mason to abuse the position, or not realising how easy it is to join. It's not as if Grand Lodge can do background checks on anybody and even the periodic declaration of criminality or whatever it's called, is a waste of time.

Just wondered, as apart from the usual online loons, i've never personally come across it.

Like a lot of folk I suppose? Wanting something for nothing? Attention seekers? Trouble maker? Trollers? And more!


Maybe but why assume the worst? But isn't there something valuable in demonstrating to people whose curiosity gets the better of them (however that manifests), that Masonry can help them to become a 'better' person after all? Is that not the purpose of all of this? So they start off on the wrong foot (which would be the right foot ;) and through this experience, discover themselves to be worthy of good friends.... who aren't mad (I speak for myself there ;)?

Just reflecting on this and thinking out loud...infact I might also have been muttering out loud but let's not talk about that
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Re: Meeting blaggers/ Cowans

Postby Peter Taylor » Wed Sep 13, 2017 9:27 am

kimosabe wrote:
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kimosabe wrote:I wonder why they wouldn't simply apply to join like everybody else and if found to not be insane, permitted to join and find out for themselves. I don't think they'd be around much after their first, if it wasn't for them.

I suppose the long-standing secrecy surrounding Freemasonry has much to do with people either pretending to be a Mason to abuse the position, or not realising how easy it is to join. It's not as if Grand Lodge can do background checks on anybody and even the periodic declaration of criminality or whatever it's called, is a waste of time.

Just wondered, as apart from the usual online loons, i've never personally come across it.

Like a lot of folk I suppose? Wanting something for nothing? Attention seekers? Trouble maker? Trollers? And more!


Maybe but why assume the worst? But isn't there something valuable in demonstrating to people whose curiosity gets the better of them (however that manifests), that Masonry can help them to become a 'better' person after all? Is that not the purpose of all of this? So they start off on the wrong foot (which would be the right foot ;) and through this experience, discover themselves to be worthy of good friends.... who aren't mad (I speak for myself there ;)?

Just reflecting on this and thinking out loud...infact I might also have been muttering out loud but let's not talk about that

It'd be interesting to find out if anyone who actually attempted to gain entry into a Lodge using false credentials, actually did join the Craft? IMHO I doubt that very much, but there are 1000s of years experience on LRUK, so I may be wrong!
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Re: Meeting blaggers/ Cowans

Postby eckywan2 » Wed Sep 13, 2017 5:37 pm

Not quite what you were meaning Peter but I was once at St Davids 36 now the university lodge, when a group of 4 Italians appeared
instantly identified as Grand Orient and not recognised here , by the RWM who was French
Why did they come ? without writing or even checking if they were going to be allowed when even I knew they were not
and they even went to bother / expense of hiring full kilt outfits for the occaission !
My only thought is suggestion of French habit of visiting non recognised lodges but NOT signing attendance book which offer I have decline a few times over there
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