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The importance of Story Telling ?

Postby admin » Sun Jul 30, 2017 9:51 am

I have been having this discussion on another forum , thought you might be interested.

Can we know what the old languages actually sound like ? can we deduce the phonetics that came to modern times and hoping that they sound something like the original.

In other words for exmple some of the sounds of words used today can not be traced back becuase no ear in modern times has heard how they were pronounced.

Still, there may have been a hidden line of initiates from which the current version of the third degree appeared in about 1725. If so the modern phonetics might be quite good.


No one has any special knowledge of the Old Egyptian / Hebrew / Arabic spoken word. The only system that can show causal links on phonics is the spoken word. We have lost the story telling traditions, which would maintain the original sounds.

Those civilizations that have maintained them create some interesting factoids. Mongolia stories tell of the origins of the North American Indian.

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Re: The importance of Story Telling ?

Postby Trouillogan » Sun Jul 30, 2017 10:04 am

Quite right, we cannot tell with any certainty how these ancient languages sounded, particularly, as when reduced to writing, vowels were not indicated. However, in speech, the natural transitional sound between consonants can give clues and when poetical passages are recognised, further extrapolation is possible. Researches along those lines can, it is thought, result in reconstruction of the phonetics.
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Re: The importance of Story Telling ?

Postby MrBenn » Mon Jul 31, 2017 3:08 pm

We can't even tell what english sounded like from before sound recordings - we have some form of narrative records but they don't necessarily demonstrate the actual sounds

One only has to look at the observations regarding the spread of 'estuary english' to see how malleable language and culture are
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Re: The importance of Story Telling ?

Postby Trouillogan » Tue Aug 01, 2017 11:20 am

It also depends on what you mean by 'English'. Even now, it is hard for a conversation to take place between a Geordie and a Celtic Cornishman (let's not even try to bring in Scots Gaelic!). A few generations ago that would be virtually impossible. With travel being so difficult, dialects flourished. Hence for those in this country who needed to communicate on important matters, the lingua franca was another language entirely; a version of Parisian French and before then Norman French was the language of legal documents, while the church used Latin. Today, our researchers can approximate the sounds of those and more ancient languages but with less certainty the further back we go.
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Re: The importance of Story Telling ?

Postby admin » Tue Aug 01, 2017 8:48 pm

I have often wondered if some of the old songs or rhymes may hold some clues.

Such as Ring a ring a Rosie

There must be hundreds.
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Re: The importance of Story Telling ?

Postby Peter Taylor » Wed Aug 02, 2017 11:26 am

admin wrote:I have often wondered if some of the old songs or rhymes may hold some clues.

Such as Ring a ring a Rosie

There must be hundreds.


Like, "I'll tell me Ma!" that well know Irish folk song, but is actually an English children's' song from the 19th century. Several folk songs and in particular children's school ground songs tell various stories of the time, but have been stolen by well know folk artists who have turned them into what people now believe to be "traditional" and their meaning has changed. Other notable songs like "Dirty Old Town" and "The Wild Rover" have also been adopted as traditional Irish, but far from it.
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Re: The importance of Story Telling ?

Postby eckywan2 » Mon Aug 07, 2017 1:49 pm

I'm friendly with a brother from France who is a catholic priest now in semi retirement as the senior priest in a famous town.
Prior to that he spend years working in Vaticans secret libraries very aware of this as a problem and being very knowledgeable about all those old languages but NOT how they sounded
Ive a son working ifn Registar House, Scotland 's record of old property deals etc who can read 3,or 400 year old docs quite easily
but often wondered how people actually sounded then
Then going back to Schaw Statutes of 1598 and 1599 words like Premier have different meanings
( although 219 years later when England established its G L it called its new operation the Premier GL !!)
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