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Masonic orders family tree

Postby Peter Dowling » Sat Jul 01, 2017 6:05 pm

I know this has been covered numerous times but has anyone links to diagrams of the family tree of orders and what qualifications of side orders you need to be in to join others in the English constitution.
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Re: Masonic orders family tree

Postby The Uninitiated » Sun Jul 02, 2017 8:03 am

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Mark: Camberley Lodge No.1131 in the Province of Surrey - Inner Guard 2017/18
RAM: Camberley Lodge No.1131 in the Province of Surrey
A&AR: Ferneberga Chapter No.1096 in the District of Hampshire & Isle of Wight
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Re: Masonic orders family tree

Postby The Uninitiated » Sun Jul 02, 2017 8:15 am

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Mercury Lodge No.4581 in the Province of Hampshire & Isle of Wight - Senior Deacon 2017/18
Mark: Camberley Lodge No.1131 in the Province of Surrey - Inner Guard 2017/18
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Re: Masonic orders family tree

Postby Peter Dowling » Sun Jul 02, 2017 12:10 pm

Thanks these are a start. I am going to make a large print from scratch using a family tree chart. I can then use if req a separate key of additional info for joining requirements. This can then be used at our beyond the craft seminars. We had masons at an open day this sat saying you cant join mark unless you were in HRA. This chart will help all deciding further progress in their masonic journey. I will of course get this forum to proof read for corrections if req.
Any others charts you find will be good as well.
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Re: Masonic orders family tree

Postby Guy » Mon Jul 03, 2017 10:16 am

Here's one I did to support one of my lectures: https://www.dropbox.com/s/u57obe8aownqq ... S.pdf?dl=0

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Re: Masonic orders family tree

Postby wayne cowley » Mon Jul 03, 2017 10:21 am

The chart above has most on there but is missing a few.

For example, I can't see the Operatives on there

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Re: Masonic orders family tree

Postby Peter Dowling » Mon Jul 03, 2017 2:38 pm

Hi Wayne the operatives are on there next to RSM on r/h side.
Thanks the more the merrier.
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Re: Masonic orders family tree

Postby eric384 » Mon Jul 03, 2017 5:40 pm

Peter Dowling wrote:Hi Wayne the operatives are on there next to RSM on r/h side.
Thanks the more the merrier.


One of us must be seeing things, i see AMD and Knight Masons flanking RSM.
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Re: Masonic orders family tree

Postby wayne cowley » Mon Jul 03, 2017 8:19 pm

Confusion over which chart methinks

The Operatives are on the chart which Guy links to but not the one which is displayed above (which is the one I was referring to)

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Re: Masonic orders family tree

Postby Peter Dowling » Tue Jul 04, 2017 1:27 pm

Yes sorry Wayne confusion on charts.
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Re: Masonic orders family tree

Postby lew finnis » Tue Jul 04, 2017 10:05 pm

KTP no longer requires PM in the Craft (dropped 2 years ago)
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Re: Masonic orders family tree

Postby MBC » Wed Jul 05, 2017 10:49 am

lew finnis wrote:KTP no longer requires PM in the Craft (dropped 2 years ago)


but I think KTP put 3 years MM as a requirement now :O
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Re: Masonic orders family tree

Postby wayne cowley » Wed Jul 05, 2017 1:34 pm

Locally, KTP also requires Grand Superintendent's approval

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Re: Masonic orders family tree

Postby eric384 » Wed Jul 05, 2017 5:54 pm

wayne cowley wrote:Locally, KTP also requires Grand Superintendent's approval

Wayne


Not just locally.
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Re: Masonic orders family tree

Postby wayne cowley » Wed Jul 05, 2017 7:53 pm

eric384 wrote:
wayne cowley wrote:Locally, KTP also requires Grand Superintendent's approval

Wayne


Not just locally.


I wasn't sure if it was a general requirement or a local provision so erred on the side of caution

Thanks for clarifying

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Re: Masonic orders family tree

Postby Peter Dowling » Fri Jul 07, 2017 1:16 pm

Thanks chaps just the type of info i need.
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Re: Masonic orders family tree

Postby Truelee478 » Mon Jul 10, 2017 4:48 am

Peter Dowling wrote:Thanks chaps just the type of info i need.
Bro Peter, it might be worth while purchasing the book Beyond the Craft by Keith B. Jackson.


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Re: Masonic orders family tree

Postby Peter Dowling » Mon Jul 10, 2017 10:57 am

Truelee478 wrote:
Peter Dowling wrote:Thanks chaps just the type of info i need.
Bro Peter, it might be worth while purchasing the book Beyond the Craft by Keith B. Jackson.


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Thanks. Is the 6th Edition the latest.
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Re: Masonic orders family tree

Postby Truelee478 » Tue Jul 11, 2017 4:12 am

Peter Dowling wrote:
Truelee478 wrote:
Peter Dowling wrote:Thanks chaps just the type of info i need.
Bro Peter, it might be worth while purchasing the book Beyond the Craft by Keith B. Jackson.


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Thanks. Is the 6th Edition the latest.
I believe so. This also the edition that I have also


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Re: Masonic orders family tree

Postby wayne cowley » Tue Jul 11, 2017 8:21 am

Peter Dowling wrote:
Truelee478 wrote:
Peter Dowling wrote:Thanks chaps just the type of info i need.
Bro Peter, it might be worth while purchasing the book Beyond the Craft by Keith B. Jackson.


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Thanks. Is the 6th Edition the latest.


Yes - and is the edition showing on Lewis Masonic website (where I would have expected any later version to be shown )

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