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The Pathway

Postby admin » Thu Apr 11, 2019 1:17 pm

seen a number of discussions on the UGLE Pathway initiative.
Some of the thoughts I have argued against I would like to find out what others think.

The download of booklet is here
https://pglherts.org/wp-content/uploads ... _Herts.pdf

Some video clips on Interviews
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Re: The Pathway

Postby Trouillogan » Thu Apr 11, 2019 6:56 pm

Bill, both those have the same file name, so they overwrite each other. One of them is very familiar to me I'm afraid!
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Re: The Pathway

Postby Trouillogan » Thu Apr 11, 2019 7:36 pm

Ignore my last, Bill, it's me being ham fisted!
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Re: The Pathway

Postby admin » Thu Apr 11, 2019 9:07 pm

I was just about to say , they work for me.

But dont try them together.
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Re: The Pathway

Postby admin » Mon Apr 15, 2019 9:55 pm

I would like to know what others think about a home visit ?

It seems to suggest to make sure the Wife or Partner is aware of what is involved. I am uncomfortable with it.
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Re: The Pathway

Postby Matatu Man » Tue Apr 16, 2019 7:58 am

That's actually quite a tough one to choose, either way.
I can see the point of the home visit to meet the Wife/"Partner", both to reassure them of the good intentions and to confirm that they are aware and supportive of the application.
I am aware of Brethren within my own circle of contacts whose partners were not in support of the applicant, in two cases resulting in them leaving the Craft.
At the same time it can be seen as an invasion of privacy.
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Re: The Pathway

Postby Mike Martin » Tue Apr 16, 2019 9:58 am

I definitely support the "home visit" and "Partner involvement" in the process and in this day and age it's the only way to go.

Nowadays, your "significant other" needs to be aware and supportive of why you will be spending a not inconsequential amount of money and time away from them to pursue a hobby that they cannot fully get involved in. It would also go some way to cut out the kind of stuff I have had from countless Widows over the last decade who didn't understand that Freemasonry stood ready to help them in their time of need because the husband didn't or couldn't explain to them and they didn't feel they could ask.
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Re: The Pathway

Postby admin » Tue Apr 16, 2019 12:57 pm

Matatu Man wrote:That's actually quite a tough one to choose, either way.
I can see the point of the home visit to meet the Wife/"Partner", both to reassure them of the good intentions and to confirm that they are aware and supportive of the application.
I am aware of Brethren within my own circle of contacts whose partners were not in support of the applicant, in two cases resulting in them leaving the Craft.
At the same time it can be seen as an invasion of privacy.
Difficult.


My issue is who are you asking to take part in your group. Do we have the right to investigate the persons home life. Should we not start as we will instruct the candidate to trust and take your Brothers word.

I have always been the person who would try to get my sons and grandsons to emulate how I behave. While this is an advisory document and not in the BOC it seems to be to be saying we do not trust you enough to take your word for the fact that you have spoken to your partner on this issue.
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Re: The Pathway

Postby admin » Tue Apr 16, 2019 1:06 pm

Mike Martin wrote:I definitely support the "home visit" and "Partner involvement" in the process and in this day and age it's the only way to go.

Nowadays, your "significant other" needs to be aware and supportive of why you will be spending a not inconsequential amount of money and time away from them to pursue a hobby that they cannot fully get involved in. It would also go some way to cut out the kind of stuff I have had from countless Widows over the last decade who didn't understand that Freemasonry stood ready to help them in their time of need because the husband didn't or couldn't explain to them and they didn't feel they could ask.


Same answer really , is it the business of Freemasonry to investigate. It is only a personal opinion but to be honest being presented with a request to make a home visit may well prompt me to say no, I will leave it thanks.

I ask myself if we are trying to make Freemasonry more than what it is. I can quote many phrases, its a Hobby, like a Golf Club, Fraternal Group not a Religion. We defend Masonry with many terms the most important of which is Family First, then work, then Freemasonry. I worry we are going down a path tht elevates Freemasonry. As you say Mike there is a reason to make sure the family know but many a mistake has started with good intentions. Why do you think we cant take the Guys word for it. On my interbiew list No 1 is Supreme being No, 2 Have you discussed this with your Partner. 30 odd years of the same list.
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Re: The Pathway

Postby Stevecoath » Tue Apr 16, 2019 1:12 pm

In my experience if anyone is going to have a problem it is usually second wives not first.

I can think of dozens of members who I rarely see because of "she indoors has put her foot down".
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Re: The Pathway

Postby admin » Tue Apr 16, 2019 1:44 pm

That surprises me Steve.

My Lodge has Ladies Nights and White Table meets, other socials and I dont get that feeling.

I can see the reasoning behind more social events.
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Re: The Pathway

Postby Trouillogan » Wed Apr 17, 2019 1:44 pm

As a normal way of getting to know a potential new member of the 'family', ask him and his wife/partner out to a pub lunch and involve your own better half. Chat away and you soon get to know the lie of the land. A few more such meetings, perhaps even with other new prospects develops the conversation more. Visit some local events of common interest together and develop the friendship. Be very open about why you are doing this.
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