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William Babtie VC

Postby Blackrussell » Sun Nov 04, 2018 1:06 pm

I have a reference to William Babtie VC being a member of Lodge Aldershot Army and Navy Lodge No. 1971. He won his VC in 1899. However, I have lost my source for this. Can anyone confirm or otherwise, that Baptie was a member of 1971. I'm looking for his joining date and source? Thanks.
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Re: William Babtie VC

Postby forester » Tue Nov 06, 2018 3:17 pm

may be worth checking with the lodge, perhaps the secretary can scroll back through the minutes
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Re: William Babtie VC

Postby Trouillogan » Tue Nov 06, 2018 6:42 pm

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Re: William Babtie VC

Postby Blackrussell » Wed Nov 07, 2018 5:02 pm

That's the very man, but its his masonic record I'm after.
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Re: William Babtie VC

Postby Trouillogan » Thu Nov 08, 2018 12:53 am

Blackrussell wrote:That's the very man, but its his masonic record I'm after.

Check with the LibMus at GQS.
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Re: William Babtie VC

Postby eckywan2 » Thu Nov 08, 2018 8:33 am

Given his nationality perhaps GLoS can help more
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Re: William Babtie VC

Postby Peter Taylor » Thu Nov 08, 2018 12:09 pm

Lieutenant General Sir William Babtie VC KCB KCMG (7 May 1859 – 11 September 1920) was a Scottish recipient of the Victoria Cross, the highest and most prestigious award for gallantry in the face of the enemy that can be awarded to British and Commonwealth armed forces. His Victoria Cross is displayed at the Army Medical Services Museum in Aldershot.

Baptie graduated from the University of Glasgow with an M.B. in 1880. He also received the LRCP and LRCS from the University of Edinburgh Medical School in 1880.

South Africa and the Victoria Cross
Babtie was 40 years old, and a major in the Royal Army Medical Corps,[1] British Army during the Second Boer War on 15 December 1899 at the Battle of Colenso, South Africa when he won his VC. He exposed himself to heavy fire to tend to the wounded including going with Captain Walter Norris Congreve to bring in Lieutenant Frederick Hugh Sherston (The Hon.) Roberts who was lying wounded on the veldt. The full citation was published in the London Gazette on 20 April 1900 and reads:[2]

At Colenso, on the l0th December, 1899, the wounded of the 14th and 66th Batteries, Royal Field Artillery, were lying in an advanced donga close in the rear of the guns without any Medical Officer to attend to them, and when a message was sent back asking for assistance, Major W. Babtie, R A.M.C., rode up under a heavy rifle fire, his pony being hit three times. "When he arrived at the donga, where the wounded were lying in sheltered corners, he attended to them all, going from place to place exposed to the heavy rifle fire which greeted anyone who showed himself. Later on in the day, Major Babtie went out with Captain Congreve to bring in Lieutenant Roberts, who was lying wounded on the veldt. This also was under a heavy fire.

He had previously been made a Companion of the Order of St Michael and St George (CMG) in June 1899 for services rendered in the occupation of Crete.[3]

After South Africa
Babtie was promoted to lieutenant-colonel in April 1901,[4] and appointed Assistant-Director, Army Medical Service in that June.[5] In 1903 he was made a Knight of the Venerable Order of Saint John.[6] He was promoted to colonel in 1907, and appointed Inspector of Medical Services.[7][8] In 1910 he was appointed Deputy Director-General of Medical Services and granted the temporary rank of surgeon-general.[9] The rank was made permanent in 1911.[10] He was made a Companion of the Bath (CB) in the 1912 King's Birthday Honours.[11] On 1 June 1914 he was appointed Honorary Surgeon to the King,[12] holding the post until 7 May 1919.

First World War—Mesopotamia and Dardanelles
Babtie was appointed Director, Medical Services for the British Indian Army in March 1914.[13] He was responsible for medical provision on both the Mesopotamian campaign and the Dardanelles Campaign. He was Mentioned in Despatches for his services in the Dardanelles.[14] He was appointed Director of Medical Services at the War Office on 18 March 1916.[15] He became Inspector of Medical Services with the temporary rank of lieutenant-general on 1 March 1918.[16]

However, he was severely criticised by the Mesopotamia Commission of Inquiry and received further criticism for similar failings at Gallipoli.[17]

He was made a Knight Commander of the Order of the Bath (KCB) in the 1919 King's Birthday Honours.[18]

References
"No. 26438". The London Gazette. 5 September 1893. p. 5059.
"No. 27184". The London Gazette. 20 April 1900. p. 2547.
"No. 27091". The London Gazette. 20 June 1899. p. 3865.
"No. 27306". The London Gazette. 19 April 1901. p. 2706.
"No. 27326". The London Gazette. 25 June 1901. p. 4251.
"No. 27550". The London Gazette. 8 May 1903. p. 2921.
"No. 28004". The London Gazette. 15 March 1907. p. 1833.
"No. 28014". The London Gazette. 19 April 1907. p. 2650.
"No. 28346". The London Gazette. 8 March 1910. p. 1684.
"No. 28562". The London Gazette. 15 December 1911. p. 9450.
"No. 28617". The London Gazette (Supplement). 11 June 1912. pp. 4297–4298.
"No. 31488". The London Gazette (Supplement). 1 August 1919. p. 9948.
"No. 28831". The London Gazette (Supplement). 15 May 1914. p. 3931.
"No. 29569". The London Gazette (Supplement). 5 May 1916. pp. 4517–4519.
"No. 29596". The London Gazette. 26 May 1916. p. 5206.
"No. 30628". The London Gazette. 12 April 1918. p. 4490.
firstworldwar.com
"No. 31395". The London Gazette. 6 June 1919. p. 7425.
Monuments to Courage (David Harvey, 1999)
The Register of the Victoria Cross (This England, 1997)
Scotland's Forgotten Valour (Graham Ross, 1995)
Victoria Crosses of the Anglo-Boer War (Ian Uys, 2000)
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Re: William Babtie VC

Postby eckywan2 » Fri Nov 09, 2018 11:11 am

Another member of RAMC was a brother of my mother lodge
His name has 4 letters beginning with B
and is always on open display in the east on our WW1 memorial board

thats of brethren who took part in services not those that died
and its more than 400 brethren
As Leith was an important port how many others were in restricted occupations
and not allowed to join up
like all the shipbuilders seamen etc. !
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