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Hello from a California Past Master

PostPosted: Sat Jun 24, 2017 12:04 am
by Daddy0
Hello Brethren! I am a Past Master from the states and am on holiday in Bath until Sunday.
I'm looking for a venue to celebrate the 300th anniversary of freemasonry tomorrow June 24.
Or even a Brother to share a meal with at the least. Let me know if someone is out there.
Fraternal greetings!
Ron Duncan Jr, PM

Re: Hello from a California Past Master

PostPosted: Sat Jun 24, 2017 6:52 am
by Richard George
http://www.somersetfreemasons.org/Terce ... index.html

Looks like there's an event on at the Bath Masonic Hall

Re: Hello from a California Past Master

PostPosted: Sat Jun 24, 2017 8:07 pm
by admin
Welcome, hope you find something.

Re: Hello from a California Past Master

PostPosted: Sun Jun 25, 2017 9:46 am
by eckywan2
300 anniversary????? our craft was alive and well in 1598 in Scotland
a pub lunch in Westminster in 1717 was nothing like the "beginning of Freemasonry" and was undocumented until years later
UGLE itself was not founded until 1813 at Kensington
Please do your own research of real masonic history
and don't be fooled by repetition by those that should / do know better

Enjoy your holiday
and if you want a real masonic welcome and true history come to Scotland

Re: Hello from a California Past Master

PostPosted: Sun Jun 25, 2017 7:33 pm
by Trouillogan
Absolutely correct Ecky. The 'pub lunch' (I like that!) only ended up a few years later as a Provincial Grand Lodge for the City of London and Westminster, becoming wider than that after 1721, being wary of what had been happening in York. And yes, there was speculative masonry much earlier than that too, in England. Your Scottish lodges worked under a completely different method, having town incorporations which we didn't have in England. But that's another story.

Nevertheless, returning to the OP, Welcome and join in the fun! It will be good to hear your Californian viewpoint on any subjects.

Re: Hello from a California Past Master

PostPosted: Mon Jun 26, 2017 8:57 am
by eckywan2
What do you think DaddyO? Am I going on too much about errors regarding history
Should I join in with friends in London who are going to party anyway?
( I'm expecting a few phone calls from Royal Household pals)
Bro DaddyO I'm biased being Scots and having been born in a wee place called Kilwinning
ask Mr Google why Kilwinning is famous for 0 , internationally
or watch new film Terra Masonica
then make your own opinion
but remember to enjoy the craft !

PS just about to watch new aircraft carrier Queen Elizabeth sail past my house
( having had a great night with brethren / officers at their mess night Taranto celebrations!)
Fraternally as always

Re: Hello from a California Past Master

PostPosted: Mon Jun 26, 2017 10:03 am
by Trouillogan
eckywan2 wrote:What do you think DaddyO? Am I going on too much about errors regarding history
Should I join in with friends in London who are going to party anyway?
( I'm expecting a few phone calls from Royal Household pals)
Bro DaddyO I'm biased being Scots and having been born in a wee place called Kilwinning
ask Mr Google why Kilwinning is famous for 0 , internationally
or watch new film Terra Masonica
then make your own opinion
but remember to enjoy the craft !

PS just about to watch new aircraft carrier Queen Elizabeth sail past my house
( having had a great night with brethren / officers at their mess night Taranto celebrations!)
Fraternally as always

Yes I'm well aware of your much earlier speculative masonry roots in Scotland. From a masonic perspective, Kilwinning must be a great place to be. Being near Portsmouth, I expect we'll be seeing a bit of the Queen Elizabeth before long. I'm sure the builders would be more operative than speculative! (19)

Re: Hello from a California Past Master

PostPosted: Mon Jun 26, 2017 2:21 pm
by Mike Martin
eckywan2 wrote:300 anniversary????? our craft was alive and well in 1598 in Scotland a pub lunch in Westminster in 1717 was nothing like the "beginning of Freemasonry" and was undocumented until years later


Every Freemason who takes an interest in Masonic history knows that 1717 wasn't the beginning of speculative Masonry and that the UGLE is actually celebrating the foundation of the first gathering of Freemasons' Lodges that called itself a Grand Lodge. Of course that doesn't quite trip off the tongue or even scan well on invitations.

I feel certain that in England (and probably in Scotland too) most, of the above referenced Freemasons, are well aware of Elias Ashmole's Initiation in 1646 into an existing Lodge of speculative Masons and Sir Robert Moray's Initiation into a Scottish Lodge (travelling with the Scottish Army) in Newcastle in 1641. Some are even aware of the fact that at the present time the earliest known English Initiation of a non-Operative Mason occurred in 1571 when a Fishmonger was Initiated into the "Old Lodge at York" as detailed by the late Rev. Neville Barker Cryer in his 2006 book "York Mysteries Revealed" where he identified dozens of non-Stone Masons being accepted into that Masons' Lodge during the 16th and 17th Centuries :) :) :) .

Re: Hello from a California Past Master

PostPosted: Mon Jun 26, 2017 5:24 pm
by MrBenn
Welcome tot he forum - hope you found somewhere in Bath

Re: Hello from a California Past Master

PostPosted: Thu Jun 29, 2017 9:05 am
by Harmony
Trouillogan wrote:
eckywan2 wrote:What do you think DaddyO? Am I going on too much about errors regarding history
Should I join in with friends in London who are going to party anyway?
( I'm expecting a few phone calls from Royal Household pals)
Bro DaddyO I'm biased being Scots and having been born in a wee place called Kilwinning
ask Mr Google why Kilwinning is famous for 0 , internationally
or watch new film Terra Masonica
then make your own opinion
but remember to enjoy the craft !

PS just about to watch new aircraft carrier Queen Elizabeth sail past my house
( having had a great night with brethren / officers at their mess night Taranto celebrations!)
Fraternally as always

Yes I'm well aware of your much earlier speculative masonry roots in Scotland. From a masonic perspective, Kilwinning must be a great place to be. Being near Portsmouth, I expect we'll be seeing a bit of the Queen Elizabeth before long. I'm sure the builders would be more operative than speculative! (19)


Not to sound like a broken record here, but of course Kilwinning is considerably younger than the Lodge of Glasgow St John No 3bis (chartered in 1057 by Malcolm III). They just have a far better media section...

Re: Hello from a California Past Master

PostPosted: Thu Jun 29, 2017 10:20 am
by eckywan2
Aye maybees aye maybees naw
yer neebors at no 4 would disagree
mind you they are well pally wi No 1 who just are jealous of no 0
regards media maybees yer right there as Id never heard of that claim before
Bob Cooper here I come

daddy O tell us about your masonic interests and history Bro

Re: Hello from a California Past Master

PostPosted: Thu Jun 29, 2017 11:41 am
by Harmony
Glasgow Kilwinning No 4 are relative youngsters, only claiming to date from 1735. They are nowhere near the 4th oldest in Scotland, indeed, even within the Province of Glasgow, the Lodge of Glasgow St Mungo's No 27 is 6 years older.

Interestingly, the coat of arms of the Merchants House in Glasgow has a large No 4 below the globe, and there is speculation that this is why GKL 4 have the number 4 (a large number of their members were members of the Merchants House, and remain so to this day) and have fought to retain it.

Re: Hello from a California Past Master

PostPosted: Thu Jun 29, 2017 11:12 pm
by eckywan2
Och I just love the ancient history of the craft in this country !
Ive enjoyed reading the walls at no 4 a few times
but need to remedy not having attended No 3 bis before!
I have been down to 2 bis at Melrose love their Trimontium neighbours
and their history of French brethren ^visiting"going back over 200 years

sorry DaddyO weve blethered on over your introduction tell us about Bro Marion and Texas
frat